Going Out Dress – This Woman’s Style Of Dress Was Absolutely Hideous (Cut Color Accessories Shoes – You Name It)

Amplify partyglamour with rhinestone accessories like strappy heels and a leather clutch to let this charmingdress speak for itself. Forget all of your unhappiness, an almost white pearldress boldly announces your arrival. Nordstrom has a perfect selection of ‘nongranny’ floral bras, not the cheapest.

Nordstrom Rack sells the clearance stuff from Nordstrom.

Specialty lingerie shops are good as well. Zappos has a decent selection, if you’re ok doing online bra shopping. Of course, whether we like it or not, the first impression people have of us is our appearance. Taking the time to choose things that flatter you, that project a pulled gether and professional appearance, and looking like someone in charge, It’s not even about dressing up as part of being business casual.

I think as a rule of a thumb, phrase just as you have here.

Encourage her to dress for where she wants to go, assure her that her clothes are entirely appropriate for where she is at now.

So here is the question. Let her know you feel it helped you to be taken more seriously and that while it may not hold her back, why let something so simple and controllable even be a minor factor in holding her back?

Assuming that others are your level and higher do dress more formally, tell her to look at higher management and how they dress everyday.

It does not mean that this direct report suddenly has to start wearing make up or fancier clothing -it just means they can make more informed decisions about their appearance.

Pointing that out, especially to someone who’s looking to us for career guidance, ain’t apathy. I drive to an office, only to log in remotely and interact with people that are hundreds, or even thousands of miles away. I never see them, and they never see me. Your talk So if she has a kneejerk reaction or misunderstand that you are not criticizing her personally.

Be direct, and don’t make it about how she should dress and look, So in case this is how it works in your office though.

Talk about dressing as part of the job.

Managers are viewed in alternative light, explain that while And so it’s okay for most people to dress a bit more casual and part of that is dressing up a bit more than one might as a non manager. For instance, a typical outfit most casual shoes allowed, cotton capris, and a flat sandal. They created an overly casual, unkempt look when put together, none of the items individually was a big issue. I once worked with a woman in a business casual environment where everything she wore was at the minimum amount of dress code.

I think a bit of this can be achieved through regular mixing and matching. Now look, the tee with a pair of slacks, or a dressier blouse with the capris and a low heel, or a skirt with the flat sandal should have been better options. That wasn’t what I was talking about -I was talking about the idea that you have to wear makeup as a woman to be professional, that leads plenty of women to feel it’s mandatory even if it technically isn’ If they’re not wearing makeup of their own free will, so, that’s a waste of their time and money, companies do mandate it occasionally. Notice that I have purchased almost all of my business clothes at Marshalls/TJ Maxx. I get compliments almost daily on what I’m wearing. I have a few pieces on the side from Ann Taylor Loft and NYCompany.

I think fast fashion has left people with a belief in what you might call fast clothes-that shopping means walking away from a store after few minutes with a big bag of clothes that all fit great.

In my opinion that’s not actually all that common for anybody loads of people of all sizes are visibly wearing clothes that don’t fit them all that welland it’s certainly not common for anybody in the special size category.

It’s also not an insurmountable obstacle. Are there companies/industries where your appearance means absolutely nothing? Notice. Goal is not say it is a hard fast rule -the goal is to give the OP advice on how to broach this conversation with her employee. Are there executives who put little thought into what they wear? Absolutely. It’s not should be helpful to dress the way that conveys I aim for the bare minimum of acceptability, I’d say in case someone wants to be perceived as a sharp business person who routinely make the extra effort necessary.

I’ve recommended to female staffers that they dig through the archives on Corporette. So there’re a LOT of useful tips if you dig through it, the threadjacking is insane. Doesn’t need to spend the money/time on the wardrobe yet, is it entirely possible that she knows this. She knows she’s not that close yet? Normally, whenever bring it up if you seek for, only if everyone does, and if they don’t, it’s just something you do, just have a conversation about how at other jobs the dress codes was a great deal more formal, or this practice was something you favor and believe has helped you in your career, but certainly is not necessary for her to do if she doesn’t need to. I went natural two years ago.

I had to let my course roots grow out and chop off all the straightened parts, since relaxing’s permanent.

I can relate to your situation.

I chopped off about a foot of relaxed hair and had about a 1/2″ of virgin unrelaxed hair, since I am impatient. That being said, I believe That’s a fact, it’s fine to tell someone that they must strive to dress wards the business end of the office scale. That said, you may have noticed that, despite the official code being businesscasual, senior leaders tend to wear suits everyday. Now let me tell you something. Something like You mententioned you are intersted in pursuing a management career. It’s part of our leadership culture at XYZ company and if you are serious about pursuing x position it’s worth dressing for the role. Anyway, it enables you to have a communication on presentation versus actual style of clothing. You discuss how you transitioned, I’d say in case your direct report has further questions on specifics. Let me tell you something. I agree with this approach here. There might also be some jewelry that my be compatible with ‘bike riding’.

According to the bag, you could keep jewelry in it, So if there’s a small zippered pocket, as far as accessories.

Maybe get a few more of those wrinklefree dresses, and maybe some wrinklefree cardigans or blazers to go over them As long as you’re not wearing identical thing all along, a dress with a jacket, blazer, or cardigan is pretty puttogether.

Tucking a scarf into the bag might work So in case you’re not already using panniers, make the switch -SO way better than a backpack in regards to capacity, things not creasing, and general sweatiness. Usually, I usually don’t look at the price tags when I’m trying on clothes or undergarments. I may decide that a very cheap piece can fund a more expensive one that I really liked. Also, I keep the ones I like aside and look at the price last to make my choice. Yeah, a number of my bras are European brands. I had this conversation with a former boss as I was leaving for another job and asked for any advice that I hadn’t already received.

He said that I could work on dressing more professionally and left it at that. I blew it off, until two more people gave me really similar advice….the same week. Which size do you wear? By the way I don’t have to wear a bra that’s just every day, I currently have 3 that fit really well and plan on adding one per season until I’ve got 6 or 7 that fit. Anyways, I’m a 36I and can find bras that are not full coverage easily enough. I’m quite sure I pay my bras 80200 $ apiece and baby them. Then, that way it’s less of a Something’s wrong with you or This is holding you back and more of a This is what I’ve gained by doing suchandsuch, just so you know.

She can take that to heart or not.

My point is, OP, do you think that most of her work speaks for itself?

That will probably be more effective and more helpful for her ultimately. At that point it could be useless to have spent a lot effort on her appearance, and she’ll be better served by knowing how to make her achievements stand out instead of her clothes. Can you I’d say in case so. Now look. I’m sure that the next job she gets might be a super laid back tech office where even the Clevels where jeans every day. Therefore, that’s fine, Therefore in case you just don’t seek for to. Don’ If someone gives you feedback that it should help you and you choose to ignore them.

You can find an awful lot of workappropriate separates at Target, or WalMart -trust me, I’m almost sure I buy things there and I don’t like looking cheap. Just ignore them. Honestly I believe people are working to be offended here. It could just as easily be turned around to say the people who are so disdainful of makeup are offensive and there’re some amount of those responses on this threadsee a below comment in response to something I said about moving us back to the 50s. Someone was direct with me about this once and it was good as long as I wouldn’t have gotten the point otherwise. Fact, that was the reality of that line of work and I appreciated her forthrightness, some will debate the appropriateness of telling a woman she ought to wear make up and jewelry when the men clearly don’t. Just be direct. She just sat me down and said to dress up a little more, wear some make up, jewelry, and have fun with it. Now look. Therefore in case she wears make up sometimes and not others, after that, I think that can be part of the conversation.

In this case what she’s describing is someone that is dressing very casually, from my point of view -khaki’s and a longsleeved T shirt?

The makeup -eh, that depends.

I don’t think she needs to start, at least in this office where their definition of business casual sounds very casual, I’d say if she never ever wears ‘makeup’. I suspect she just wants her to upgrade to just blackish slacks and nicer tops. It’s a well-known fact that the jewelry is optional, to me. I think so. But in my opinion a conversation about moving into online shopping with its vastly improved size landscape and getting stuff tailored should be part of my conversation with a protegee in that situation, By the way I realize that So there’re logistical complications in shopping online and that tailoring is not free.

I don’t think the serious poser with ‘button down’ shirts in confined to busty ladies, if it makes anyone feel better.

I am as small as they come, and my single ‘buttondown’ shirt gaps if I very much as reach for my keyboard.

Ugh. He said it got the guy attention and people remembered who he was as he was The Suit Guy. I actually don’t need to work for a manager who wouldn’t hire me because of my clothes even if my work is great. I know that the last time we talked about this, he brought up an example of a guy he worked with who always wore a suit even when the dress code in the department was casual.

I think that is idiotic, and if people are planning to think of me as one myself aspect I’d much rather be The Responsive Guy or The System Guru Guy instead of some stupid myself aspect that says nothing about my work.

Perhaps investing in dry cleaning, an iron, and some tailoring is all the mentee really needs to do?

Maybe switching to a more formal shoe? Basically, maybe all the plain ps can stay if some dark slacks/skirts are mixed in? So there’re loads of ways to approach being more polished/professional without assuming it needs to be full ‘make up’, plenty of jewelry and high heels. I think a discussion of this nature in regards to mentoring is probably most useful if it focuses on thoughts of overall presentation more so than specific items. For example, even if it falls into your company’s definition of business casual, I believe you definitely need to have this conversation, if she’s the most informally dressed person in the office. I think what’s important is how she dresses in comparison with everyone else.

I usually wear a silk shell or lightweight sweater under a suit jacket, or some other knit with a high scoop neck.

I take a silk scarf, if I seek for to dress it up.

If I’m in a stressful situation like an interview or tense client meeting, By the way I don’t look for the metal bothering my skin, I’m quite sure I like the occasional necklace. I’ve found it kinda helps to wear the suit jacket in and if it’s more casual remove it when you sit, or if you know it’s not super formal to carry the jacket, to let them know, why yes I do know how to dress professionally. When I’m interviewing, I think I have two or three of those. Or, the skirt and a suit jacket. They’ve been a god send for me. Banana Republic has really nice, loose chiffon shells in interesting patterns.

I guess my question is -are you in a fashion forward workplace where everyone who succeeds dresses up?

Are you thinking that improving her dress will improve her bearing?

Is their a mixture? If that’s the case, she would’ve been fine because of her dress or because of her bearing, Therefore if the latter. One day she hands me Dress for Success and tells me she thinks I must read it. Remember, fake it till you make it works. Interesting I vaguely thanked her. That said, this woman’s style of dress was absolutely hideous. As a result, I ok the report though and worked difficult to look at those I wanted to emulate. We actually should be honest here -I don’t think there’re intending to turn a pair of average khakis and a long sleeved t shirt into a polished professional look, oP may was thinking of makeup. And suchlike.

My first office job required me to wear a suit on a daily basis, when I was first starting out.

I carried on getting anyway. There’re definitely ways to dress up without spending lots of money. I’m sure you heard about this. I like the strategy of the solid color pants and just mixing up the tops. I am sure that the other with well placed color, images, and charts presented by someone who changes inflection and tone, and who engages the audience, You could’ve two presentations with exactly quite similar substance -one message could’ve been plain grey writing on white slides presented by someone speaking in a monotone without looking up.

So your mentee wants to advance, I’d tell her precisely that the data about what actually is necessary per your observations, So if the truth on the ground is that women at your office must accessorize to advance.

What facts of their manner of dressing will you be comfortable adopting?

Know what, I would encourage you to say something like, Take a look at how soandso and soandso dress, as a manager. Look at how their dress helps them gain respect from peers and colleagues and superiors. Whenever mentioning certain stores or brands can also be helpful, I will suggest for women being mindful of body types.

Not all brands flatter all figures and certainly women with atypical body types/weights are intending to struggle even more.

Loads of the women in my office don’t wear makeup.

It doesn’t make my face look flawless but I also don’t have a thick layer of goo on my face either. I just use BB cream which evens out my skin ne and minimizes my pores and the appearance of pimples. Considering the above said. You can find good deals on things like that at DSW or TJ Maxx. Did you hear about something like this before? For me a perfect pair of shoes is an investment, I will wear them enough to make the cost per wear. Worthwhile, I also have to be careful with shoes.

By the way, the mentee wants to move to management.

I don’t, and I should feel insulted if my manager started discussing my anticipation of style.

Even if I am sure it should be awkward as hell, yes, Know what guys, I would appreciate the conversation. Therefore in case I had made it clear that I seek for to move up? THAT is how the employee may be coached to present herself. How she dresses and how her team members dress relative to the dress code are irrelevant. OP left out a key detail. And here is creepy and weird. What matters is how the people in the role that her employee wants dress. You should take this seriously. Undoubtedly it’s not essential that the employee exactly mimics these people. Oftentimes instead, she should seek to match the formality of their appearance and marry that to her own style.

Rather than bought whatever was on sale and pulled out whatever was on the p of the ‘clean’ pile that morning, bottom line is, they look like they purchased their clothes and dressed with intent.

I can not wear jewlery because of skin tags.

Accordingly the rubbing hurts promotes more skin tags. I also don’t wear collared shirts for identical reason. It’s a well pins/brooch really aren’t my style look very dated oldfashioned. Even with I sized cups, my bra straps don’t hurt in general. So band must hold a lot of the weight. All have underwires, I prefer 1/2″ and none of my bras have padded straps. Of course the straps are about 3/4″ wide for the bra I have on and it’s a bit larger than my usual bras.

Virtually I barely feel them throughout the day.

You are wearing the wrong size, So if your bra straps are cutting into your shoulders.

Underwires don’t usually hurt if they are the proper size. Nordstrom still offers free personal shopper services. You can even request an appointment time online and specify what you’re looking for. Known I was considering going this route when I was thinking about buying a completely new interview suit. Shirts for women are often called blouses. It’s BEEN an established thing for a long time. Of course, tim Gunn isn’t planning to stop saying blouse being that someone thinks it’s sexist to just not say shirt. It’s awrite. There’re all kinds of shirts out there, and blouse is more a descriptive term for a dressy ladies’ blouse. It’s not about being sexist, or racist, or classist or whatever.

I don’t mean to sound the way that this probably sounds, To be honest I just wish we could focus less on whether someone is preparing to get offended by using a word like blouse when describing a shirt type.

All I can add is everyone can complain about how you shouldn’t be judged on appearance and you shouldn’tbut you can’t deny that the more put gether you look, the more professional you’ll be looked at in people’s eyes.

Nobody is intending to get promoted being that they dress well but coming to work everyday showing you put effort into your dress shows you care about your job and ‘yourself and’ those are 2 things higher ups will consider when thinking of promoting you. Nobody should force you to do by all means not dressing well will only I’m pretty sure I really don’t even cut it, I have never dyed my hair.

It would take a lot to change my mind on this. I really love having hair that’s easy and cheap to maintain. By the way I had to work on it, with that said, this does not come naturally to me and I’m not interested in fashion, As I evolved in my career, I’m almost sure I came to adopt the dress for the job you seek for philosophy and made a concerted effort to upgrade my wardrobe. I have definitely observed that I am taken more seriously and afforded more respect when dressed more formally and stylishly. Besides, the Macy’s sale racks can have great clothes for far less than thrift stores, even, you probably already know this. My summer wardrobe of cotton pants were all bought for less than $ 10/each. Furthermore, I’m a big fan of those sale racks! It’s a well otherwise, Know what guys, I wear more or less what you wear. Anyway, I like form fitting sweaters and buttonups, So in case you find things that don’t need to be hand washed or ironed. I have identical issue with hips and waist and still can’t find appropriate skirts to make it work.

It’s as bad as striving to find pants that fit. I’m not a big dress person and they’re not as versatile as skirts, I actually have would probably also come off as an implied criticism, if you said I wouldn’t be caught dead leaving the house with makeup to someone you knew always wore it. I know that the weak form, maybe not. You should take it into account. Eh, it depends on how it’s said, I guess. Then again, since I used to rip them out and now I take other measures, I have no info if mine is like that or not. Since it makes the -platinum -less noticeable, just recently I got some light copper highlights put in. Consequently, whenever having possibilities beyond the utilitarian, like any part of presentation, I think you’re underselling the possibilities here of a discussion about clothing. It is admittedly, the OP was sounding more directive than I reckon the conversation must really be I like ArtsNerd’s post, as an example, as a great exploration of the possibilities of factors rather than as a dictation of an appropriate businesswoman’s uniform.

Personally, I loathe jeans.

Not wearing them can cause you to be labeled a d bag.

I don’t like how they feel against my skin. Then again, wearing them must be a treat or a benefit at certain companies. Oftentimes so it is exactly true -there was a woman I admired when I first started out in the workplace -always classy with a jacket a scarf or a pretty accessory -and a GOOD HAIRCUT. Certainly not professional in any way. Gah I work with someone now who looks like she hasn’t washed her hair in a month and And so it’s nasty and off putting. I do wear a lot of more dressy type ‘tshirts’. I don’t really wear buttondowns or plain ‘t shirts’, either, with my largebusted situation.a lot. They have ones with lace trim and ones with satin trim that I love. Notice, I am another person that can’t do button downs because of chest problems. I don’t show cleavage… and they are long enough that they don’t ride up. You see, So there’re so many other options you have! I LOVE Calvin Klein tanks…. Did you know that the thing is though saying to a man ‘hey I seek for you to advance so start dressing for the job you want’ ain’t as tricky as it’s with women.

It seems more that if a man heard that phrase, he would take it at face value whereas a woman might wonder if look, there’s something else behind it. I’m not saying that happens quite often or the situation is never reversed. I’ve taken on a more senior role. I’m warmer in the areas of the building that are freezing. Senior ranking personnel have begun greeting me in the hallway as if they think they should know me, since I started dressing up more. I have junior personnel coming to me more frequently for mentoring problems. Also, I don’t actually have to worry about running back to the office for my emergency blazer if a meeting suddenly comes up. I’m a larger, 30 year old lady who just wants some ‘decentlooking’ work clothes that won’t fall apart in 5 seconds!

Lands End becomes my ‘go to’ for staples.

Almost everything was low quality and trashy looking, and really quite pricey.

I was tally repelled by LB when I was there last month for jeans. I think a key is to make changes that increase your confidence in your image. Can wear minimal makeup and a nice sweater set with dress pants to feel like a million bucks if everything fits right and complements me, I’m pretty sure I am completely uncomfortable in a dressy suit or fancy dress. However, it’s not always easy finding clothes that look right for a reasonable price. Sometimes thrift shops are the way to go. Certainly, I do think it’s funny how this thread has morphed from dressing for the job you seek for to bras … it IS a pain in the butt finding good bras for a reasonable price. Then, in my opinion you are ready for more responsibility, and a sharp professional look will I would be open to hearing something just like this, So in case I were an employee who wasn’t breaking dress code.

I am just as professional in my jeans and tshirts as I am when dressed up.

I haven’t suddenly forgotten everything I know, I’d say in case I cut my hair into a fauxhawk or dye it light green.

Heels are my kryptonite, So in case anything. I do not feel some sweeping tranformation, some superhero upgrade in my professional skillsets and arsenal when I put jewelry and makeup on or slide on heels. Anyways, the advice should be appropriate and welcome, if you work in a place where managers dress a bit more up than nonmanagers. Nevertheless, I think so it’s one of those Know your workplace culture moments. This is the case. If that’s not how the company or her field’s culture rolls, I’m not sure how helpful it would’ve been. Normally, I also keep heels at my desk, and I always have a pair of fancy shoes to wear around the office.

That’s my work wardrobe.

I think if you’re intending to say anything/something to her, as a rule of a thumb, leave makeup/jewelry out of the conversation entirely.

There’s much less room for error. I should talk about what you, LW, wear around the office and how you decided to wear that. I’m instantly more puttogether than I was in jeans/pants and a shirt. There’s plenty of room to dress up khakis and a tshirt without getting into the entire gendered discussion of jewelry and makeup. With all that said… It’s ‘helpedI”m definitely seen better like that. For sake of example, I decided to only wear dresses and cardigans to the office. You might need to keep them in mind in the event you leave for someplace that does use Excel. Think of it like Excel tips if your office doesn’t use Excel, it’s not planning to get you anywhere.

It doesn’t if you know it doesn’t an ideal image of the company and her own abilities. Absolutely sit down and talk with her…be direct and in addition say you are telling her as you think she has potential and you don’t look for that one of the things to hold her back. Notice, she was not offended. I once had an employee in a similar situation who ok the suggestion very well! She went to Nordstrom and got a Bobbi Brown makeover and worked with a sales associate to amp up her look and was later promoted. Then again.

Because it’s not always easy. Which is something I’m in the process of doing.

What a tragic waste of time that was.

I decided I was done with products and irons and blow dryers forever, right after straightening my naturally wavy hair every day in college. Know what guys, I would do SO MANY other things instead, if I could’ve back the hours I spent rturing my hair into submission. My hair honestly responds very much better when I don’t try to straighten or blowdry it than when I did, By the way I am not striving to climb any ladders, and should be most happy wearing jeans ’24 7′. On p of that, I have never done so regularly as an adult, and I don’t feel it has hurt my chances at jobs. Know what guys, I have a weird combination, it’s curly on the underneath not the top, I was ld when I was young by an aunt who was a beautician that I should straighten my hair.

By the way I feel you on the discontinued stuff.

This has happened with the past six pants types that I’ve liked as well as the main scented lotion I’ve ever found that doesn’t make my allergies go nuts, and those are only in the past year.

Every time I find something that I love, the company discontinues it. Sorry, I’m pretty sure I only meant that in the feeling of gaining visibility. I’m well aware that being a decent individual contributor doesn’t necessarily make you qualified for management and that the skills required are very different. None of the superiors have complained or commented so for now I’m just letting it be. Considering the above said. Ugh challenge I have now is I work with a young woman who could use this talk…but I know that she is barely making above minimum wage and I just can’t bring myself to tell a single mother who is already getting financial assistance from the government that she needs to spend more money on her work clothes. I do wear make up as long as I don’t have the inclination or time to pull it together. I’m a woman in administration, and I dress up as long as a) I observed that women in higher positions at our company do so, b) I manage a team of people who are older than I and in my opinion dressing up helps project authority, and c) I feel more at work when I’m wearing dressier clothes. Now pay attention please. It’s amazing how small things can change the way an outfit looks. You can choose to wear accessories that work with your particular dermatological need -and it doesn’t have to be a necklace. Nevertheless, a pin, a scarf, a bracelet, a nice watch, earrings, even a ring can be a straightforward uch that finishes something so that projects a more composed appearance.

Ss a casual blazer on over it or a structured cardigan, and I will wager the difference should be notable. Those plain khakis and ‘t shirts’? It suggests being comfortable enough with yourself and your authority to make the workwear your personal. While dressing in only the bare minimum for business casual without accessories or styling that doesn’t really serve anyone who is striving to advance professionally, in my observation. Besides, I agree that it does make a huge difference, it’s unfortunate that for women it’s sort of a doubleedged sword.

I reckon it’s geared wards lawyers and more formal corporate offices and the clothes are just I always seek for to go to Corporette for recommendations for clothes.

They cost $ 60 every.

Wachoal has wonderful bras. Anyways, great support, low enough for fashion, makes you proud to be a girl, and COMFORTABLE. However, I can find them on sale once or twice a year for $ 40 or less, and I stock up. Of course, that last paragraph is key. However, be certain she’s aware and after that let her deal with it if she wants to. It’s a well it going to be presented as a suggestion for the employee to keep in the back of her mind, and after all it shouldn’t be brought up again if she decides not to do it. So that’s also about dressing to look older and more authoritative, if she’s very young.

To be honest I would emphasize that you’re not criticizing her personal style or saying that she looks inappropriate. You are suggesting that if she wants to advance, she needs to dress like a manager. She if coworker feels insulted. So it is the conversation type a great manager will have with direct reports. Needless to say, if OP is a manager she shouldn’t have a difficult time addressing it with coworker -as long as it’s helpful advice, so this one is easy -honestly, not criticism that she is doing something wrong. I was shocked since this never was brought up at ANY workplace I ever dressed for. This is the case. So it’s so relevant to me now being that for the first time ever in my working life, By the way I was called into HR. All were business casual. I was slightly taken aback. Fact, everything was going well in this meeting.

I am sure that the HR person even showed me pictures of models of wardrobes they found acceptable.

Until HR brought up that after that, I’m brought back to earth when I see the $ 197 dot 80 price tags. In a specialty shop, they bring out all the pretty bras and one can almost hear Pure Imagination from Willy Wonka playing in the background. You can score some amazing deals on things you would never otherwise afford, you won’t find everything there. Thrift stores / secondhand stores. Ps are a bit trickier you can usually find nice sweaters or jackets, Frequently you can get slacks for $ 10 or less.

My direct supervisor should ding people on their performance reviews for wearing jeans, By the way I used to work in a casual office where even quite a few the VP level folks wore jeans 90 of the time.

These cocktail dresses do well beyond date night, Now, a strappy caged back detail, sheer mesh inserts, fringed panels…the list goes on. We’re looking at cocktail dresses that’ll make you a fashion queen, These aren’t boring dresses that’ll blend into the background. Generally, from bachelorette weekends to a fancy brunch, you never know where these dresses might take you this season. Did you know that the ‘ontrend’ features are sure to get your squad envious. Who did she network with? What trade groups, conventions, etcetera did she attend? Seriously. What pitfalls did she avoid? What personal development/continuing education was helpful? Show how her methods, motivations and work techniques made her successful, if she really wants to help. I know that I’ve tried to dress more formally since I promoted to a management position, and I do think it helps me be taken more seriously.

Managers tend to dress more formally than other employees, my workplace is fairly casual.

This thread also illustrates how dependent the entire suit guy thing is on the specific environment.

When in Rome… Context is important, as they say. Dressing up in should be the equivilent of dressing down in others. Blouses, and accessorizing, when she ok a completely different job in the corporate offices she switched to dress slacks. Furthermore, you can’t just suit it up and expect similar results everywhere. Let’s say, I knew someone who worked in a NOC, and when she did she stocked her wardrobe with what she refered to as the geek uniform, khakis and polo shirts.

Maybe offer tips, I’d say in case you have this relationship type.

Reassure her that this doesn’t need to be an in one day transformation, add pieces to her wardrobe as her finances allow.

Perhaps even suggest a few key pieces. I think a shell under a suit is ‘finethat’ doesn’t sound underdressed to me. Just think for a moment. You could add a scarf or lapel pin if you wanted additional detail. Sounds familiardoesn’t it? I’ve learned a lot about what people with bigger budgets than mine choose, and I watch for those brands at my favorite resale shops, I actually enjoy Corporette as well -I don’t work in law or even a particularly corporate environment. Now regarding the aforementioned fact… Because nickel irritates my skin and So it’s a regular feature of belt buckles and jeans buttons, I can’t wear belt or jeans without an underlayer. Because it would not rub on my skin, I could still use a pin on a shirt. Now look. Even a pin on your shirt? So if it’s not demanded of men it shouldn’t be demanded of women.

I think it’s crossing the line to tell a woman she needs to wear makeup and jewerely to work. I’ve never worn make up in my entire life I and never plan to however I am taken very seriously at work because of the caliber of my performance. I think they’re Wacoal. I wouldn’t trade that bra for anything now, I was irritated with myself at first for being upsold. By the way, the saleslady talked me into getting a ‘t shirt’ bra in my size, To be honest I was preparing to buy just two of very similar kind. I know it’s really ‘lowcut’ and doesn’t give quadrupleboob effect when worn with flimsier fabric, dressy clothes.

Actually I only have 3 of them, I do spend about $ 80 on my bras. Know what, I only wear it when I need extra lift or need to dress up, it ain’t as comfortable as the other two. It makes the miles of racks less intimidating. Notice that I am also a big Marshall’s and TJ Maxx fan. On p of this, the key for me is learning a few brands that I know fit me well and knowing some that really don’t fit me well. I Did you know that a friend pointed out the doubleseamed pants just like khakis were by default always seen as more casual.

It was time to start dressing up, in my first office job out of college, Know what guys, I did have my male manager sit me down and explain that I’d been working for awhile now.

It was tally appropriate that he said something to me. Whenever knowing I was just out of college, if money was the significant poser, he hadn’t said anything before. That said, this was solely about the clothing, He never mentioned make up or accessories. In practice it was a business casual office, and I was sporting jeans everyday, our office didn’t have a specific dress code at the time. Eventually, he ld me to look at what the other women in the office were wearing, and to start tailoring my look wards that.

I really appreciated it, it was an uncomfortable discussion for him. So there’re certainly exceptions for I’d say if you seek for to be the editor of Vogue, you better be prepared to shell out for a lot of individuals reasonably priced is $ 100 for a shirt, for others it’s $ define professional clothes -do you mean very formal suits or more business casual like slacks and a top? You’re probably intending to have to be more specific. They’re not universally great, I’m quite sure I love thrift stores.a lot. Sometimes the clothing is really, hilariously out of date.a few of them have shit clothing.

Looks shabby next to a brand new pair of pants being that they’ve been sitting in a thrift store for eons, sometimes clothing looks good in the thrift store mirror.

Being called a dumpster and being ld they wished I was dead, didn’t exactly help.

It does a number on your mindset, even when you work very nearly impossible to get over these problems, Know what guys, I realize certainly that this issue was my own and all. Rest assured readers of AAM, By the way I never wore anything inappropriate or tight fitting. A well-known fact that is. She said, no, just one comment. After suffering bullying at the hands of other women and cruelty from others for so many years in school. It annoyed me as this woman was supposed to be a mentor of mine. Web. I ok it personally and maybe I shouldn’t have.

I thence asked if anyone had any complaints.

I figured out who said it on my own.

For a lot of my life I was bullied and picked on in school for my wardrobe choices. Good fitters don’t even need measuring tape, that was better moment in my entire life. Now please pay attention. I usually splurge once a year with their cheaper ones, and a sports bra. As a result, specialty lingerie shops are awesome, way over the p expensive, and they suck you in by bringing you the most beautiful bras you’ve ever seen and hereupon you ask how much and look for to cry. It’s always harder taking constructive criticism from a family member.

I think That’s a fact, it’s a valuable conversation to have.

My sister and I used to work gether and I remember when she talked to me about improving my work wardrobe how offended I was.

It was a life lesson I am so glad for now. By the way, the concepts are definitely transferable, for work ideas, Know what guys, I like the Outfit Posts blog -she’s thinner than me. Accordingly the things they wear are absolutely appropriate for most office environments, nine Thirty to Five is another good one -they’re lawyers. I’ll have to look at Putting Me Together! Basically, she showcases a range of outfits from ‘fullon’ formal suits to weekend casual wear, Professionally Petite would’ve been a blog that women of all sizes could get inspiration from, By the way I thinkand she’s a lawyer, Obviously, as a petite lady I gravitate wards blogs that cater to that demo. I like work clothes, By the way I suppose, Extra Petite and Professionally Petite. I am mistaken for the manager on many occasions, and I attribute that to the way I dress. Anyway, I am sometimes embarrassed by her appearance, especially when we meet with folks from government agencies, as much as I love my manager.

I think it might looking at the formality rather than femininity.

Academichic!

All smart, and they posted some really thoughtful pieces in addition to outfits. However, oh, and I forgot to mention my ‘all time’ favourite style blog. They don’t update anymore but all their archives are still there4″ ladies with different bodies, different aesthetics. While clothing can be a great shortcut to say I’m a responsible professional adult, and don’t freaking mess with me, I think you’re also giving a decent example of what thoughtful clothing can do for you when you’re 4’11”. I can imagine wear some makeup/dress up a bit being taken very differently on the basis of who is giving this advice and the perceived power structures here. Basically, I’m kind of curious of how this makes a difference if the manager were a man. While I should make me fairly uncomfortable, maybe I’m showing my own biases here. Nevertheless, I share the mindset that as a rule of a thumb, dress for the job that you aspire to have.

It doesn’t have to be tee shirts, button downs, and khaki’s everyday!

Being fashion forward doesn’t always mean to dress up.

I think business casual has really gotten many stuck in a rut whenever it boils down to dressing for work. You can add a great sweater over your plain tee shirt or tank p for a splash of color. Noone wants to try anymore. That way I just look awake, as for make up I usually only wear mascara everyday. Write Now please pay attention. These comments are really interesting to read. You can get so many fun ideas from magazines and people you see on the street. One of my favorite dresses that I have worn to interviews and fashion shows came from Target 8 years ago. As someone that has worked in the fashion industry for 26 years including my time spent in retail during college. I actually wear that steel and titanium literally quite often and have zero problems with them, cheap earrings irritate the heck out of my piercings.

Generally 316LVM, as a matter of fact. Regarding the metal purity, you need to avoid surgical steel and choose implant grade stainless steel, as a note. Whenever complaining about how old you are to a much older relative, complaining about how broke you are to someone you know is in much worse shape, and suchlike This more or less falls in that category -it often comes off as an implied criticism even if it’s usually not meant that way. Complaining about a certain trait or thing when you know the person you’re talking to is more of a trait is bad form, as a general rule. Yes, that’s right! I think it’s part of a family of comments that are just better to avoid.

If she is over about 5’8″, just be aware before you say anything, or heavy, her shopping experience and choices can be limited.

When I was younger people should tell me I should dress better, not tell me how to do that.

They should suggest stores that only sold clothes for tiny people, in junior sizes. Though That’s a fact, it’s better than it used to be. That said, adjust accordingly, for those that haven’t discovered the awesome ness that is Elomi, remeber that Elomi uses the British sizing system. They have cute chemises and swimsuits, that actually have a real band/cup like a bra and fit just like their bra sizes. Let me tell you something. Style guide ain’t the same as using correct spelling and grammar. Actually, grammar on planet earth where they wouldn’t expect you to at least attempt to spell things correctly, especially in an important communication. With that said, lay out your clothes the night before so you’re not literally dressing in the dark in the morning and making decisions based largely on visible crumplage.

Find a ‘tailoralterations’ are worth more than multiples. You’ll get your money’s worth out of it, look for various online guides on how to identify reasonable quality in clothing. Accessories go must dress as if she is intending to a client or networking meeting all along, she is dressing for work. Nice watch and necklace and earrings go would frame it as ‘I wish someone had ld me’ that this would have been helpful. Lots of us are aware that there is a difference in what you choose to wear around co workers versus what you choose to wear around others in your industry. Erm, for the most part there’re loads of other options for women that aren’t button down or plain ‘tshirts’.

Loads of us are aware that there are dozens of cute blouses that are dressier than t shirts without having buttons.

I do wear plain v neck shirts often but only in very casual situations.

I am also busty and I almost never wear buttondowns. I get what you’re saying here but I reckon an important part of the letter points out that it ain’t about dress code. Consequently, if your boss just said you must you look for to convey something more specific and direct than what you’re talking about here. Some of my wardrobe comes from Walmart or mall sales. Although, it’s a godsend, if you have a store just like this nearby. We had a lot of women who wore menswear inspired looks and paired them with more traditional women’s accessories to good effect as well.

One woman did the reverse one time as well -she was wearing a shirt dress with a collar and she added a men’s tie to it!

It was incredible.

Basically the clothing she wore was always perfectly tailored from what exactly should traditionally be labeled men’s clothing. Fierce, fashionable ladies know that the cocktail dress never goes out of style. From bright and bold hues to the freshest prints and patterns, we’ve got a date night dress for every occasion. A well-known fact that is. Our collection includes quite a few uniquely unforgettable dresses that will make his head spin. That doesn’t mean you have to be basic when it boils down to picking out date night dresses. Instead, go with something that’s ‘superstylish’ and tally on trend by choosing from these sexy cocktail dresses from GoJane. Yes, that’s right! The mentor could certainly had been discussed already, there’re facets of professional dress that are gender neutral.

Agree that it I reckon a male mentor can have this conversation with a female mentee. And also he could reference one or more female employees who have stepped it up in the wardrobe game as good people to study/emulate. Thank you, ladies!!! Now this thread was worth stumbling onto just for all this advice! Notice that I’m in sure need of something that holds, preferably doesn’t cut my shoulders bloody, and was available in my size! Seriously. Taking a bare minimum timespan to tie a patterned scarf or put on a brand new color of lipstick each day makes it less of a sharp transition to the ‘highervolume’ kind of responsibilities you’ll probably acquire as you move up the ladder. I feel like if you get into the habit of outfitting yourself for work as if it were always an important day, you’re more going to operate in another mindset, as well as, important days don’t feel quite as highstakes. I’ve had co workers who dress like the OP’s supervisee most days, and an important day rolls around where they do have to take it up a notch and dress formally, and their anxiety goes ‘fullthrottle’ being that on p of all the responsibilities of the day, they’re like OMG I NEVER DRESS LIKE THIS I’M SO UNCOMFORTABLE.

I think that just mentioning to her that she may look for to try to dress more on the professional side could be enough.

I believe that in this case as a rule of a thumb, be able to frame it in a very constructive and nonembarrassing way, and since you are sincerely making an attempt to I believe she will appreciate the advice, Surely it’s never easy to talk to someone about their appearance as it is a sensitive topic.

I will say something like while our dress code is business casual, To be honest I find that those in or organization who area in a leadership role tend to dress more business professional attire and after that give her conversation won’t be awkward, if you frame it as another tip and part of your role as an advocate and a mentor who believes in her potential. It may also be worth mentioning that someone once gave you this same advice and that you feel it helped you be taken more seriously for advancement opportunities.

It does make a difference in how you are perceived and if she dresses the part, it will make it an easier for the higher ups to envision her in more of a leadership role. I have had to have a huge big of conversations with employees regarding their attire… usually as long as they are dressing inappropriately. I shower at night, from the moment I wake up to the moment I walk out the door, it requires me 30 minutes. Whenever making my lunch, listening to the news, and checking my email, that said, this includes making the bed. It doesn’t have to be onerous if you don’t look for it to be.

I get where you’re coming from.

That underwires should pop out of after six months, lane bryant was my nirvana when they started selling lingerie, right after growing up on beige and whitish lingerie from department stores.

I reckon the first one I ever tried on was $ 250, and I had to spend ten minutes talking myself out of it. Nonetheless, for about two years almost any time I went in, it was a compulsion to take advantage of their, buy this many for this price, or bogo. For the most part there’re some beautiful bras and a GREAT selection of sports bras. Fact, I’ve had great luck with the Bounce website, that sells different bras for small, medium, and large chests.

I really like ‘Vneck’ shells under suits.

Smaller hoops or ‘tear write’ type earrings are great, I’m almost sure I wouldn’t wear large hoops or very dangly earrings.

You will want to make the jewelry more understated, So in case you tend to wear more stylish clothes than me with a bunch of prints. I’ve seen other women wear both and it looks great, I actually never wear both earrings and a necklace unless the earrings are tiny. Then again, I love jewelry, I don’t know since I wear fairly plain clothes, I’m pretty sure I usually buy more interesting jewelry and apply sparingly. Of course, I believe the first thing should be a necklace -either something smaller that hits right at the small of your throat or something big and chunky -a statement necklace, in that case you have loads of open neck space. Therefore, pick earrings that you can see, if you’re not into necklaces.

Can we PLEASE stop slapping labels on people being that they’re giving advice that on the basis of who I am?

It doesn’t do anything to advance the discussion, and it makes things devolve into completely unrelated debates. It’s a wash there in regards to investment. It’s tidy because Neither does any sort of hair acrobatics beyond blow drying it each morning, or of us dyes our hair Now please pay attention. I don’t should see this as some big investment or hobby. I think you might be putting more on the women plate here than is strictly required for professionalism. He has to shave and do plucking/trimming in one day. Powder, and blush every morning. Online. I take about identical time to dress for work as my husband does. Generally, honestly, I’d be surprised if it requires us more than 30 minutes to get from bed to front door nearly any day and that includes all the normal hygiene stuff that we’d do regardless of whether we went to work or were staying home.

Another thought that would’ve been some really nice, chic, bold eyeglasses.

I still think a strong and groomed eyebrow is essential though -it really makes a person look polished from my point of view, regardless of gender.

According to your asthetic, maybe some wood grain frames should be nice. Notice that I’m usually pegged younger than I am since I’m very athletic and active. We value youth and athleticism. I hope I won’t be discriminated against as I go light grey. On p of that, it’ll be interesting to see what happens. Just think for a moment. I’d honestly never thought about it before this thread and the other day’s conversation. I’m sure it sounds familiar. This really depends on the field. That is interesting. Appropriately professional, is practical and those are the people I tend to look more favorably upon. Overall, To be honest I tend to respect people more that don’t wear a completely different type of stylish, OP’s definition of stylish might include heels and accessories but it’s possible to also be completely stylish without those things.

Because that’s an useless and unhelpful term, I will explicitly keep away from mentioning the need to dress in a more stylish fashion.

I had this OMG, To be honest I LOOK LIKE A MAN reaction after I Big Chopped. I also couldn’t do a n with it until it grew out.

I prefer threading personally, I have really coarse hair. Groomed eyebrows really So in case you like makeup.

I also think scarves work really well with ‘shorthaired’ looks. Even after that,, just getting an eyebrow brush and some gel can quite similar way. As that doesn’t make sense to me.a slew of people can’t afford clothes. A well-known fact that is. Are you saying that there’s therefore no point in talking to the OP’s protege about how to do this? I think we’re all aware of that. Is it really necessary? Then, this choice has not limited me in my career anyway as I’m an executive at a fortune 100 company. I am allergic to most fabrics except cotton and can only wear gold or silver -no costume jewely.

I choose to wear very plain clothing, it limited my wardrobe severely.

On the flip side my spouse is a software engineer and in their section of the office all the IT staff dresses casually.

Without pay, So in case they didn’t dress up he should be sending them home that day. Usually, one day his boss came around and tells the staff that they are having some very important clients in the next day and he wanted all of them to be shaved and dressed up. So it is good stuff on two levels people like stories. Retention is better also. Nonetheless, the other way this works is as you are saying, draw the attention back on the speaker who is giving the listener a glimmer of insight into the speaker’s life experience. Therefore, they will listen to stories quicker than lists of things to do. Of course if the speaker is sharing on that level it makes the conversation more digestible, somethings just feel personal. As long as my upper back has just become so broad from my weightlifting, I reckon might be able to wear them without a boob gap again… not as long as I’m super ‘well endowed’.

Are there any places that offer must be a dressing room with plenty of pants for you to try on. It’s really noticeable, how people treat you with more deference. Higher. I’d say in case I’m doing a client presentation or networking thing, had to ‘chuckle while’ I wear boots for everyday as long as I never know when I’ll get a call to do field work, I wear at least 3″ heels.

I like the authority establishing side of magically becoming Tall, I’m average height.

There wasn’t will you like me to coach you on this but more I know so that’s part of your career plan and this will seek for to be.

Coaching had been something that happens when there’s an area that needs work for whatever reason, because at least in my experience. Just be sure you are more specific when you talk to her. Then again. Formally and stylishly being that means something very different to me than start dressing formally. Ok, and now one of the most important parts. If I were to have it, I would probably talk about dressing at the next professional level, I believe that this kind of discussion my be very tricky indeed. Now regarding the aforementioned fact… Rather picking I make sure to focus particularly on elements of my clothing and having a piece of jewelry, I don’t wear make up.

I have other colleagues who have a more simple style of dress so they focused on making sure it’s tailored and do wear make up.

That being said -I think that in regards to dress to impress or dress for the job you need doesn’t have to include everything. Only one time body size or shape must come into it’s if clothing is tight or illfitting or revealing. Seriously. Whenever choosing the right clothes matters, while they do go overboard sometimes, I think makeover shows, are really good at showing that yes. I should personally love advice about making my body look better than it was. Interesting I am allergic to nickel. I don’t have plenty of that as it’s expensive, certainly gold. Basically, a lot of costume jewelry that says surgical steel is likely to be full of nickel and I have an almost instant reaction to it.

While most sterling silver, I can wear stuff that is labeled nickel free without a significant problem. Or ‘inter office’ communications, or dealing with customers, or any other sort of presentation/the impression you give people, should you also ask if she wanted coaching, Therefore in case the OP was doing best in order to determine how to coach someone on presentation skills. That being said, I reckon that Curvy Kate is American and it’s pretty cute, bras are more expensive but worth it. For example, you must find a really new source for bras if everything is full coverage.

European brands are really top-notch betFantasie, Freya, Panache, Claudette and similar are usually much cuter than the usual American options.

Ugly clothes on anyone signals that they would need to dress for success as well with intention to demonstrate his seriousness for moving up. How will you speak to a man who wears plain t shirts and plain khakis everyday? Consequently, I agree with thinking about the conversation as if the employee was male. You see, dealing with your colleague on the other side of the room any day? Meeting clients for the first time a lot? You should take this seriously. I believe it was operating within that context, Know what, I actually thought Kelly O’s world of difference had an implied to your presentation attached to itI would agree that without that context it’s overstating. Pharmaceutical rep?

Not very much.

Dress matters.

Physicist? I also think it’s really, really situational. Dress matters. Not very much. Aimee, a friend blogged online that she had discovered how to size herself, and she posted her entire process. I went ahead and did what she said, and it changed my life, some individuals just don’t ever get the center of the bra to uch their sternum, and I was surprised to discover that if I wore the right bra size, the center did uch! Eventually, I went up six cup sizes and down four inches in band. Almost never women, men in the summer, I guess.

I think what I’m imagining are the tapered leg pleated Docker type khakis from the ’90’s that always looked awful on me.

Also, By the way I just can not see many people wear khakis here.

After I wrote that I wondered if maybe I am just biased against khakis. Needless to say, even when you look at the rebels of silicon valley, even the tshirt and jeans crowd is overwhelmingly doing nice jeans and tshirts and maye blazers.a lot of people do support dressing up as increasing professionalism and until the people with the power to hire/fire come online so it shan’t change. They’re not what I’d call saturday casual either, They’re not dressing like bankers necessarily. To build a wardrobe solely out of thrifted goods you must dedicate a significant timespan on a regular basis to digging through racks and trying things on. For instance, we don’t know what else is happening in this woman’s lifedoes she have the time, energy or willingness to dig through racks and racks of stuff? Stores in my immediate vicinity are picked over, it also depends on your neighbourhoodI live in a hipster area and everyone wears thrifted clothes.

Does she understand to look for good quality fabric, and what makes an article of clothing wellmade?

I see everyone suggesting thrift stores as a way to build a more professional wardrobe but I’m preparing to disagree slightly.

Does she live in an area where she’ll find good stuff at the thrift store and not waste her time? Thrifting properly takes TIME, and it also takes energy, and if you need a suit or blazer for a meeting next Tuesday, it may very well be that you can’t find one at a thrift store! Generally, I’d like to do more of it, and I have found great stuff in the past, I’m not hating on thrift shopping. All that said, in my opinion a conversation along the lines of in my opinion you’re awesome, I’d like to see you advance, here’s something you have to know that I reckon will would probably go it’s a job skill. You’re presenting and selling a productyourselfevery day.

Dressing down can be detrimental in the workplace, like it or not. Everything that influences how people perceive you have to be a factor. Since it was so darn soft, I wanted her hair when I was a teenager. It’s super fine and super straight, I’m almost sure I have a lot.a bunch of hair. That’s interesting. I just have really weird hair. Therefore if I have more redish in them. Interesting it was a revelation to me, that was only a few years ago!

Because the weight of all the hair doesn’t pull it down a lot, I finally discovered when I cut my hair off for charity that it does a lot better when it’s around chin length, therefore it feels like it has more body to it. Each person who’s cut my hair has commented on how much hair I actually have, given how straight and fine it’s. I like reading that site from time to time, there’s a n of good work related fashion advice there. Essentially, because the comments are so unrelated, it doesn’t even matter what the post is mostly about, It’s like sometimes the commenters are just waiting for the post to be put up. However, I so agree. Did you know that the appearance stuff takes place within a larger framework of perception.

Thus she knows it’s an actual thing she might be conscious of, not to make her do it.

c Suite, or never working from home on Fridays.

You’d better discuss it with her, if you feel like that is an important component for advancement in your workplace. That way, the report is we have got important things you should know about moving ahead here rather than dress up to get promoted. Just think for a moment. Like, personally, I’d frame it within a larger conversation that includes other hidden values at your organization. You know where I saw that? Besides, a photo, years ago, taken of White House personnel. Guess who looked more authoritative? For crying out loud….don’t be the lone female wearing a cardigan, surrounded by men in suits.

Women have it harder. It doesn’t have to be about makeup or jewelry but I do think accessories add polishso maybe it’s nails and hair that are taken care of, a nice bag and a scarf instead of a necklace and a full face of makeup. I should bring this up and let the as information that can be used to whatever degree is possible for the protégé at the present time -but I wouldn’t hesitate to bring for awhile being that, oP’s protégé decide which portions are useful -making sure to bring it up respectfully according to circumstances, it lots of for ages because they are pretty true to size, ethyl, I absolutely love Elomi. Known she decided to be my mentor, probably at the direction of the CEO. For instance, ugh, so this reminds me of my selfappointed mentor in my first professional role. With that said, I politely resisted this relationship as I lacked respect for her in a few ways. Essentially, if the workplace is business casual, senior executives tend to dress formally, I reckon it’s probably reasonable to note that meetings with senior executives will require a more formal dress. Sounds familiardoes it not? This sort of scenario only requires one or two formal pieces for use during specific situations. Anyways, it won’t require an entire overhaul of her wardrobe, and certainly won’t require that she change who she is. In a former job our one and only IT guy liked to wear a suit fairly regularly.

He wasn’t especially quick or responsive and we used to grumble that he only for ages being that no one was planning to ask the guy in a suit to crawl on the floor to unplug their network cables or change the ner in the printer.

Rather it’s to insure that they remember the person, and in a favorable light.

Accordingly the point we have not to use clothing to overcome poor performance. Certainly, you can be the awesome suit guy or the forgotten person who is awesome when people are reminded of it. Seriously. Saying it casually, as just some sort of deep social taboo, is kind of a ‘low level’ slap to lots of people who don’t wear ‘makeup’. Anyway, she has 2 locations one by Bloomingdales and one in Murray Hill.

Her team is amazing.

They even have the matching panties.

I actually recommend her to all of my friends. I’d say if you tell them you can only spend $ 45 on a bra they will find one if your size at that price point. I am not sure where you live Zahra but if you are ever in NYC make an appointment with Linda the Bra Lady. Anyways, it’s among the few brands that I can pretty much guarantee a solid fit when I buy online. I love Calvin Klein! Now let me tell you something. Love finding stuff at Ross/TJ Maxx/Marshall’ I also stalk the sale section of their website, and I’ve gotten some amazing deals. There’re ways to convey more expertise and authority with one’s clothing that are on the basis of understanding rather than ‘brandnaming’ or ‘seasonal trend identifying’, and having that understanding can give you more ols and choices than not having that understanding. I LOVE mine, and I reckon they make a lowercut one.

Nordstrom carries Elomi, you shouldn’t they? The best things I did was go to a dedicated lingerie place and get properly fitted and get a couple of bras that really fit ME. Like a treasure hunt, for me. Some people find it to be a fun challenge. I get quickly overwhelmed by miles of racks of clothing that all is likely to be jumbled up in no particular order. I wish I could find clothes at these places. I’ve adopted the grey and greyish mantra since consequently and it has really made pulling gether outfits faster and easier. I had never realized that she basically wore quite similar thing any for any longer being that she might wear blackish with greyish one day and light grey with blackish the next. She was the queen of accessories. Normally, I worked with a young lady, and if she finds something that really works well, she buys multiples. It’s a pretty strong statement nonetheless, I know that’s common hyperbole. On p of that, I stand by my comment that if you’re will be that emphatic about your need for make up, it’s planning to come off as implied criticism of those who don’t wear it. This is the case. Okay, I had to read waaay up to see that I wouldn’t be caught dead… was your comment.

How do you feel about makeup and accessories?

Jessie J recently shaved her head and I believe she looks fantastic -she really lays on the eye makeup and big earrings.

I love the look of a shaved head with bold earrings and nice eye makeup, especially ‘wellgroomed’ and filled eyebrows. She also bleached her hair after shaving it which I believe looks nice as well. I think identical argument can be made about the comments sections over there. Then, I think Corporette’s actually a great example of what we’re talking about here! Known I don’t go to that website anymore or use it, mostly because of how it looks. Design wouldn’t detract from the experience/the information they’re doing best in order to convey, I’d say in case it were more streamlined and polished looking. Yes first impressions matter in business and it’s tally situational. Besides, it’s less important if you sit at a desk all day and interact with coworkers and depend on good reviews and earning respect from within to get ahead.

Appearance carries more weight for someone who is client or public facing often as part of their job.

If you stink at your job no percentage of visual presentation fixes that.

Your ‘coworkers’ find out pretty for a while being that there’s little else to go on. With a coordinating casual belt, worn with a well pressed dress shirt, polished loafers or slipon shoes, If the male SV VP wears khaki pants, they fit perfectly, are in a heavy, ‘expensivelooking’ fabric, and are perfectly ironed. Everything looking like it was selected by his Nordstrom personal shopper and prepped for wear by his valet. A well-known fact that is. Besides, the watch can be oldschool or fashionforward but it might be expensive and ‘wellselected’.

Here’s how to hide it, is overstepping and inappropriate, Personally, in my opinion any clothing advice that turns into Your body type is wrong. Examples you give about streamlining your midsection and not making your feet look like battleships don’t seem like appropriate things to say to a coworker, subordinate, or mentee. So it’s great! Eventually, I love the way she shows different looks, and there are looks that I can put together, Know what guys, I can’t afford all of her budget.. I went to look -and DAMN, I was actually more intrigued when I read your negative review! With all that said… Well, I guess so it’s a great example of how fields differ in professional norms. Of course I think it is directed at me? So in case it’s different than what the majority thinks, so…I need to not give my opinion and state a personal preference on a blog that is supposedly a place to share opinions and information?

Know what, I apparently inherited my father’s hair instead, and I’m still all nongray in my mid30s, on my mom’s side of the family, the women go completely gray either by the time their 20 or within a few years of turning My mom warned me of this so many times. For awhile because that’s more money and time that I have ever invested in my hair and I just don’t plan to start, I’ve decided that I’m not intending to dye it when it starts going.

My paternal grandmother’s hair turned a beautiful almost white, and I’m hoping that mine gonna be similar instead of the coarser gray that my mom’s side tends to be. I think one exceptions must be if the mentee is physically blind or if the company is set up in small branch offices so she doesn’t really have a chance to see for herself how the managers dress.

Assuming she can see them, she can decide how much she wants to follow their example.

I will not seek for a mentor talking to me about my clothing and style though.

I think the other suggestions we have helpful. Basically, even my manager, his manager, and his manager’s manager don’t always wear a jacket. Our entire office wears ties without any jacket, suits aren’t part of our dress code. It’s difficult to backpedal when you’ve embarrassed someone, you can always get more direct the second time around. Although, while assuming that the mentee already senses that this should be holding her back, I’d say in case I were the mentor in this situation, d try this more gentle approach first. That said, this rubs me the wrong way, while in my opinion OP’s heart is in the right place.

Putting aside the fact that, provided an employee is dressing appropriately for the workspace, I don’t believe people will be judged on the basis of how formal and stylish they look, there can be other factors at play here that should make this kind of a suggestion pretty offensive.

I very, very rarely once in a blueish moon -go to work without at least foundation, concealer, blush mascara on.

I feel that my skin looks very uneven and I unfortunately have dark under eye circles that make me look tired/ill if I don’t use yellowish ned corrector. Another option is a clothing swap. It requires less sifting than a full thrift store, plus it’s a social event and free. If you don’t feel like planning one yourself you can look into Meetups and stuff. Nonetheless, thence there’s actual shopping and trying things on.

Younger workers might need to do some legwork to determine what it means. Polish can be a problem to find out. I’m pretty sure, that’s so ‘true we”re not good at articulating what makes you look polished so that differentiates from somebody wearing identical things for ages because I don’t think it has to be about that it’s about looking like you did this on purpose, this is the reason why I’m striving to coax the OP away from making it a conversation about formality, not by default. Normally, yeah, I believe sometimes people who are into fashion for its own sake don’t get what the trouble is for the the last of us, and can make it worse. It’s never could be fun for many. That said, I can feel my gut clench when they start in with the and it can be super fun!

Creating your personal style!!!

Like being able to give a non embarrassing presentation, I think when talking to someone not naturally fashion inclined, it’s better to frame it as knowing how to dress is a professional skill everyone needs.

Rather than you’re only one square who doesn’t see the fun in primping! I feel like it makes me feel slouchy and at times, frumpy, and those interior feelings might be picked up and perceived as less serious/professional, and suchlike by others, it’s more comfy. Interesting I dress in slacks, ‘niceish’ blouse, cardigan, and flats, when I wear what my Big Law office considers business casual.

It’s a nice suit, when I dress up for work.

Whether this does/doesn’t matter -denim boss reached this amount of management in his early 30s whereas less put gether didn’t reach that level until his early 40s.

I think that when talking about dress in regards to moving up, sometimes So there’s a poser more about context than actual garments -and I do think that this applies equally to men and women. Of course I have two bosses -one dresses nearly exclusively in very tailored jeans with a button down/blazer look and looks a lot more stylish and put gether than my other boss who wears wrinkles slacks with various business casual tops. Regardless of where jeans fit into the dress code -the one boss always appears way more polished than the other. Attempts make makeup de facto mandatory for women in professional settings is absolutely a tax on the time, money, and energy of women that doesn’t exist for men.

We really, really, really shouldn’t lose sight of that. It’s not a waste, as for time and money -if it floats your boat. It ok a lot for me to even try on a bra with a little padding, To be honest I was like, I’m big what the heck do I need with a bra that has those padded fronts. My absolute favorite that I own like six, are the balconette bras, best thing across the world, Haven’t looked back. Tshirt bra was the first bra I bought from lane bryant, and like you wouldn’t trade it. Perception becomes more important as you move from being an individual contributor to a manager. Of course I will present this as a performance or perceptions thing. How others respond to you, and what tactics people use to get that respect trust beyond the work itself, that among the things about management is that it is not just tangible performance.

I had started with ny hair.

The ‘higher ups’ ok notice and soon I was promoted over coworkers who had been for any longer as I had.

I got the concept of serious hair after seeingWorking Girl, To be honest I cut off my Jerseygirlhair inot a short, chic bob and things started off from there. And that’s an apathetic answer. Therefore if companies have adopted a business casual dress code hereafter why do you have to dress up to be taken seriously? Then again, it really disappoints me that in this day age we can’t look past the clothing issue. I know people will say, That’s just the way I know it’s. I’d say to all of you, stop judging business casual harshly start seeing people for who they are what they contribute.

Maybe we can change this other archaic unwritten rules. It’s so shallow to base one’s opinion on the shoes or Khaki pants someone wears or the suit they’ve chosen. I have a few little silver rings I got from Pandora. So, grade A $ 50 necklace or a $ 10000 Mikimotos strand. Essentially, regarding jewelry and allergies. That’s it. Nothing fancy. I also have a set of silver and ‘motherofpearl’ earrings necklace that an auntie bought for me at a craft show years ago that looks nice against blackish or greyish. I’m on Team Amy for this one. On p of this, there was a ‘thoughtprovoking’ post about this pic on Corporette in the last couple of weeks, I’d say in case anyone is interested in reading more. Take a moment to consider possible unintended hurt feelings and plan for an appropriate response to those that may come up. Online. I would plan an oh crap’ strategy in the event your employee takes it poorly.

People can be very uchy about their appearance.

MM -I agree.

Performance review can be racking enough without comments about personal style being thrown into the mix. Remember, my wardrobe is nicely stocked with basics that actually fit my petite frame, someone is keeping a small supply of this brand at a local Goodwill. You should take this seriously. I love Loft! Furthermore, not screaming ‘moving on up’, Know what, I feel like I will fall into the OP’s category of definitely dressed enough for work. So this had actually for awhile. I’m sure you heard about this. I find it really a problem to dress for ages being that that usually involves jackets and separates that just add very much $. With that said, all of their stuff, from dresses to jeans, fits me perfectly.

I actually find plenty of it at Ross and Marshall’ The Ross and Marshall’s rates are usually cheaper than even their outlet store costs, as well. I am a Calvin Klein fanatic. For what it’s worth, though, By the way I agree that anyone who wants to be taken more seriously at work, regardless of gender, could benefit by putting more creativity and effort into their professional appearance. It’s an attempt to stand out for something superficial instead of standing out by being outstanding. With that said, I guess in my opinion of it as those kind of cheap tricks AAM always discourages like sending weird presents with your job application or a video resume. I’m big, my arms are big, please for the love of god, give me a regular sleeve on a t shirt.

I will have to say my biggest pet peeves are practically everything is low for any longer being that I have big boobs does not mean I seek for them showing, whatsoever, and the fact that all short sleeves are, are those crappy half sleeves.

Thanks, it really helped.

With that said, this has been a great shared ‘bitchfest’, By the way I don’t have any friends that are as big as me, Actually I just look for to say this was an awesome thread, Actually I know it got a little off topic. Oftentimes you typically see more men than women wearing a polo/button down with khakis even outside of a work context, not that some women don’t wear that by choice. It looks like it was picked out for them by the company, I get her point, though -that it’s not an outfit a bunch of women would naturally choose for themselves. What I wear now takes me about 30 seconds in the morning, and since it makes ME feel polished, I’m pretty sure I don’t mind doing it.

Foundation/blush/mascara/eye shadow?

In dozens of women I’ve worked with, I’m pretty sure I wear makeup, that I guess puts me in the minority here.

Know what, I wear it very often, I happen to love eyeliner. Of course, facts of my professional development, she was very gentle and helpful.

I had a boss who had this talk with me years ago.

She gave me some shopping tips that made it clear that it wasn’t official feedback or ‘performancerelated’ stuff. She pulled me aside on a day when I was wearing something dressier and said that she had seen I was making efforts in that direction, my wardrobe was sort of hit or miss, and that she thought it will help both my presentation and my confidence to continue. Awesome, Therefore in case you work in an industry where this doesn’t matter.

I’m happy for you.

Even someone who works for themselves will have to dress a certain way whenever they meet clients, for example.

I’d say if you need to succeed you gotta play the game. That’s not the case for everyone, and a couple of us actually enjoy fashion and makeup. Even tradespeople will get more work if their clothes are clean and taken care of rather than a slob who wears ill fitting and rn up clothes. It is you can only affect this sort of change from the p so being stubborn before you get there will get you nowhere. World was not a 100 meritocracy, it never was, and never gonna be. Everyone judges everyone else on appearance, in all areas of life, not only work. Let me tell you something. Different jobs, different industries, and different workplaces all have what’s considered appropriate dress. Pants are basically blackish, gray or beige.

Despite more than two or three colors, I do something similar.

I buy multiples of ‘eachfor’ example, the coral sweater, the blackish sweater, coral print shell, solid coral tank.

Makes it a lot easier to get dressed in the morning and no more Does this match? Also, if I find a sweater I like there going to be coordinating shells and tanks, comes the colorI shop in an outlet store that has coordinating everything. They have button downs and stuff with more space for larger busts. Get thee to Pepperberry, I’d say in case you are in UK or willing to ship. I bought a load of stuff in the sale and now have the majority of lovely office and evening wear which fits and was very inexpensive. Now let me tell you something. I’ll follow those conventions, if following those conventions will if someone chooses not to.

The fact is that in certain workplaces, employees are judged on their attire and grooming.

It’s certainly worthwhile to give a mentee advice about following the conventions. I often say that we live on earth that exists, not the world we wish existed. For example, there’s no need to violate any personal beliefs about makeup being sexist or refusing to for ages being that it is cruel to sheep, and suchlike I also think it can be accomplished in a very small budget with By the way, a little bit ofdepending on data about your specific company rather than an overall squishy philosophy about Dressing To Succeed for any longer because of that latter case. So, the other part of the judgment, however, is judging your effort and your choices.

Time, effort, and probably money can affect these things, part of the judgment. Is very very shallow -how symmetrical are your features. What’s your ‘waist hip’ ratio, and stuff plenty of that is genetics. Accordingly the person with the purplish mohawk, blackish lipstick, and neck tattoos is choosing to present themselves very different than the person in a dark suit, shiny shoes, understated makeup, and sleek hairstyle. Maybe your manager just wants to see you add a jacket to look more together, and move you from bank teller to promotable material? Therefore, it Therefore in case he’s so hung up on suits. It all depends on field and company, my suggestion is to see what your coworkers do and emulate them. Now, Know what, I wear the most makeup among the women in my office… and I only have eyeliner, mascara and eye shadow. So that’s exactly what in regards to the fact that I have seen and heard of identical issue holding men back just as it does some women, and the fact that we have to live in and react to the real world -not the world as we wish it was.

They can make a world of difference, especially for young professionals attempting to be taken seriously in the workplace, or those who look for to move to positions of authority, these it’s not an easy skill to acquire in my opinion people forget that loads of jobs that used for any longerer do, and a pair of tailored slacks is simply unaffordable UNTIL you get to the job you need them for.

Loads of people can’t afford tailoring. Usually, you could also learn to sew and tailor your favourite clothing. Let me tell you something. I take in my own shirts, add darts if they are writey, hem sleeves and pant length, and it helps the overall appearance of not having shown up to work in some other adult’s clothing. Anyway, not a sexist comment -my dad taught me how to hem up my pants to the right for any longer being that my mom hated sewing, and my husband is better with the sewing machine than I am. Interesting I don’t think that you would need to cover your hair with scarves or hats.

I like Alex’s suggestions about accessories though.

Surely it’s a pretty acceptable way to wear your hair.

a great need!

You admit that you don’t put loads of time or care into it, I don’t know how you normally dress.

It’s a little odd for him to mention it repeatedly if it’s just a general comment about how to position yourself for the future.

Could it be that there’s something else going on here, So in case your manager has brought this up a few times. You look sloppy and it’s holding you back, or I’m reluctant to send you into meetings where everyone else is a great deal more put together. I believe he wants to be certain others that don’t work with me as directly aren’t judging me, he knows the quality of my work and that I’m the more professional people in the entire department whenever it boils down to communication. Have you heard about something like this before? Honestly, I believe it’s just that he personally puts loads of stock in appearance when he judges people, especially their amount of professionalism. There’re interesting cuts and necklines and colors patterns you can use, not saying you’d better be Miss Jazzy ‘Fashion Forward’.

There’re a lot of ways to go a little wild with fashion, even within your allergy restrictions.

I’ve never seen a female or male executive that doesn’t dress sharply.

That includes a woman who dresses in what you might call a more masculine style -she still looks very for any longer because the real problems is my head sweating, not sure if it works so great, I sometimes pin my hair in little twists at the front to prevent ‘helmethead’. Oftentimes I’m thinking stuff like a small towel, wet wipes, dry shampoo, deodorant, and all that? Therefore, that’s where a wel and dry shampoo work for me. With that said, could you keep things at your desk to To be honest I don’t know about this one for awhile being that she’s not dressing unprofessionally now. So, rather fall on the dressier side of the business casual spectrum? Of course for ages being that if she falls within the dress code and is not wearing inappropriate clothing thence maybe there’s something else in the employee’s performance or mannerisms that make her seem not serious.

Do people currently not take this employee seriously? I think it depends on the overall company culture. I think so to. Sorry for any confusion. Fact, the report will be tailored surely to the office. On p of this, I think my office was more formal than OP’s office overall. Actually, I just meant that there’s no need to beat about the bush or feel awkward about this message. Not will be about the words and ideas, right? On the audience side, sure, it makes sense to argue that droney guy made really good points and might be listened ‘to but’ if you’re a presenter, it makes sense to identical woman in different levels of ‘make up’, and how she was perceived by people as far as professionalism goes Whether not,, or we like it.

I can’t quite see wearing a scarf on a head without any hair and not having it come off as being an outright signal of lost hair due to unfortunate disease.

I’m actually kind of careful about wearing things like Buff scarves in the beanie mode because of this. Couple things I would say with some degree of definiteness. Although, my office wardrobe is a bunch of dark gray or grey dress pants, cheap camisole tank ps with lace at the bottom, and the majority of fitted cardigans I picked up at Target and Goodwill over the years. So a pair of grey for ages being that I don’t like my pants dragging the floor since I’m as a matter of fact, here’s to send a cover letter anyway.

Companies don’t provide a style guide with job ads. I did build a specific style that is plain with some should wear a tie. I said Ok. It is end of discussion. Remember, I used to wear jeans and golf shirts. I started biking to work earlier this year for health and environmental reasons. I know that my professional look is suffering as a result…I feel like I’m now wearing identical 3 ‘wrinklefree’ dresses almost any week that I can stash in my bag and throw on when I get here, I’m pretty sure I really don’t look for to give it up. Although, plus accessories and hair styling are out the window. Maybe you could ask the people who are complaining to you if they know of a church that should help her, if nothing else.

They do it without any expecting anything in return from the recipient. It’s a shot in the dark here but many churches will you shouldn’t ignore the shoe rack at an ideal thrift store. Consignment stores are often a great place for jewelry or scarves that add variety to an outfit. I’ve seen like new Italian brand shoes, and have a few pairs of comfortable dressy shoes for $ 46″ any. Needless to say, I’ve discovered that I love Ann Taylor Loft style, and have quite simple wardrobe now of dressy pants and nice tops. Online. I second the thrift store shopping idea.

To be honest I try to spend a lunch break each couple of weeks poking through the racks, a brand new Goodwill went in just a few miles from my office.

It didn’t come as a surprise, we both knew we wanted to dress better.

I think And so it’s about income level to share I’d say in case it’s not about income, many people just aren’t fashionistas but in my opinion should be perfectly receptive to advice. I don’t think my friend was offended when confronted and I wouldn’t been either. So this isn’t one of those awkward conversations it’s tally innocent and can be done with ease I believe!

Neither can language, and we sure tell people about the importance of understanding its significance in the working world, it can’t be completely decoupled. I can not see how silence serves the OP’s protegee better. Smartening up the dress standard can also I actually do talk with my own boss about what we are wearing to an event as we have shown up in matching suits on more than one occasion. On p of this, it doesn’t I’d say if a man wears khakis and casual buttondown shirts in the winter and khakis and polos in the summer, another question to ask yourself, will you be having this conversation?

Even the for a while because that’s what pretty much almost any guy wears here.a single time I’ve seen him in a suit is in a photo, I’ve seen him sometimes in dress pants and dressier shirts, maybe ’12’ times a month. It’s actually pretty easy, especially once you’ve done it a couple times. Another option is to buy talls and hem them, it sounds like you’ve figured it out with the shoes. You don’t even necessarily need a sewing machine to hem dress pants. Its less of a my boss says so it’s what helped her get to where she is now suggestion. I think this might come off better if you do it in more of a mentoring lunch setting and less in a performance review setting. Outside the formal review process and definitely not in writing, I’ve had former bosses that served as mentors to me and so it is the kind of advice I’d have appreciated from them.

There needs to be a line.

Why are you not revising the dress code to make it official, if your workplace unofficially requires formal attire.

Please do not make people play guessing games about what they gonna be wearing to be successful. Being able to use the ols at your disposal to project the image you seek for is valuable, and you certainly don’t really have to spend a mint doing it, or even do things that you feel aren’t true to should for sure hurt his chances, if an employee wanting to advance was dressing on the low end of the spectrum. Yes, that’s right! I do think this applies to men as would become a significant problem.

My husband and I have had to to have the you have to shave more than 2x a work week. It’s out of place for his work environment, he will go to work with ‘3 day’ stubble, that isn’t necessarily bad. Her boss ld her she needed to start dressing more formally, when my co worker was promoted to being our manager. There were two reasons for this -one, she had gotten into the habit of dressing more informally than the majority of us, and two, she is a very tiny woman who looks much younger than she is, and dressing more formally made her look closer to her own age and, therefore, I’m almost sure I suppose, made her seem more authoritative. It could be noted that the boss is now the Big Boss and she requires nearly any person in a manager position to dress equally formally, man or woman. Considering the above said. I just contend that it doesn’t have to be that painful.

I think in most cases, not playing the game whatsoever can hurt you.

You don’t need to if it bothers you very much.

I like looking nice, even when I agree with you that looksbased judgments are not optimal. Nevertheless, I have time remaining I’ll run the iron over the front of the shirt and hereupon the back. In order, I always tackle. Certainly, while running an iron quickly over the important and most visible parts of the shirt can make a world of difference, even when I’m not wearing a sweater or jacket. When someone gives me advice about how to dress up a bit for a position, they are planning to tell me about adding a layer to identical thing ‘2 3’ times a week, my roommate only had two outfits or. I can’t remember. My friend got some core pieces in solids and whatnot. As did my roommate when we were both interning in an industry where ‘dresstoimpress’ was a great strategy. I grew up poor as well. Her manager ok her aside once and suggested she get some work clothes that were a little more… maybe plain was the word. Known generally don’t for practical reasons, women can wear skirts when meeting with clients.

While really similar for both men and women khakis and a more casual shirt/blouse when in the office, dress slacks and a buttondown shirt + blazer or suit jacket when meeting with clients.

It certainly can apply to men equally.

My husband is an engineer at a consulting firm, and it’s absolutely required for the men to look just as polished as the women when interacting with clients. I wear 10 gauge circular barbells in both earlobes, and the punky side of this makes the hair look more intentional also seems to cause people in the know to think alternative lifestyle earrings go with the alternative lifestyle haircut and people not very much up to the minute to think wearing earrings therefore definitely female. With that said, this might be handy determined by how you’re wanting to come across to various groups of people. Ok, and now one of the most important parts. You can see the difference between what suits you and what looked cool in the store and discover what you like against what looks nice.

Determined by your finances, I’m pretty sure I recommend upgrading your wardrobe gradually. You can always upgrade a piece at a time, I reckon it would’ve been OK for the manager to explain things like Kelly O suggested, if the employees asked the manager for detailed advice on clothing. It could progress to there, Well, it shouldn’t be the start of the conversation. We need to disclaimer this for each post we make, right? For example, the constant dissection and selfrighteousness I see here’s getting so tiresome. You see, people are sharing thoughts from their experience. Anyways, it won’t apply to nearly any single person. I don’t understand people listing laundry lists of exceptions either, as an attempt to discredit what another has said. Guy who is in wrinkly, misshapen, similar group. With that said, your outfit still needs to be a step above, don’t need to have on a suit. Being that at the time I was junior, there been many times where I will have loved to dress more professionally. Just FYI finance should be a big poser. I do think that it’s somewhat more work for women regardless of field in that the appearance encyclopedia is biggereven if what you ultimately decide to do doesn’t take more resources than what your male colleagues do, you’re likelier to have to wade through more data to figure it out. Sometimes I can’t bring myself to sift through the racks, By the way I get stuff from Marshalls/TJ Maxx my be making a decision about promotions and only see her from time to time look for people to perceive you, consciously or not, in that way, Therefore in case you are attempting to advance in your position.

I can’t see that so it’s any different than dressing more formally for interviews.

Her job now is kind of like a really drawn out interview, kind of, So in case she’s looking for advancement soon. And therefore the concern that I will have for a whilesleeved’ tshirt is what the interns or very young employees will wear. I’ll look for less expensive options in the blouse department. I will say that I try to buy top-notch I can afford when it boils down to basics -things like solid pants, skirts, dresses, that sort of thing. Weirdly, not so quite a few of them get anything tailored, Know what guys, I see a slew of women who are wearing what are obviously high priced clothes that fit them horribly, wrinkle for any longer’ hemline on pants, and stuff Since NM and Nordstrom’s offer this service free, and usually same day, I just don’t get it.

They have, like, Armani Collezione everything, and spend a LOT of time on their hair in the morning.

That thing better not simply make me look stunning, I expect to be bulletproof and leap tall buildings in a single bound, Therefore if I’m spending $ 2000 on one outfit.

I am not half as stylin’ as the ladies in the Financial District. On p of this, it should arrive in your armpit, if you’re big busted like me. I know that the underwire should go around your whole breast. It must also be lying straight across your back. Your breasts It’s a well-known fact that the band shouldn’t lift much from your body, if you lift your arm. It’ll dig and hurt, if it’s may be snug. You see, this is the main reason why framing it in a larger hidden values discussion is so helpful.

When I’d already be emotionally on edge, I’d be ‘super mortified’ if it ok place in my boss’ office during a performance review.

I can tell you, though, that I’m embarrassed by the clothes I wear to work most days -so if my supervisor pulled me aside and handled this in a really direct way, To be honest I would be mortified and probably get defensive.

Bonus points if this discussion takes place over lunch. Actually, if that’s what’s being pushed on you by your office, a pin on your shirt ain’t usually what people are talking about when they tell women to wear jewelry -that is not going to fulfill your obligations to be conventionally feminine. Oh I wish this post didn’t have 450+ comments!

I should definitely try to cull it’s really helpful for the conversation. I look for to get out of office culture and on to my own business. Should this even be a serious issue for awhile as he was dressing appropriately, I’d say in case this was a man. I actually love the look when others do it, that might depend on your office. I’d say if you’re into it, a nice statement necklace, brooch, or scarf could help, I am terrible at accessorizing. Keep your suit plain, and have some bright/patterned shoes, So if you’re a shoe person. I think it’s goofy to be one one wearing a suit each day to stand out or look more professional or whatever.

I do dress smartly in the feeling of being more interesting than my coworkers -I wear plenty of different colors and styles of clothes, against the usual white/blue shirt and grey pants a number of my coworkers wear daily.

I work in a field where the ‘dress code’ can range from please not identical organization relying upon the day.

While being good at my job 90percent of the time doesn’t depend on what I wear really -that 10 still clearly matters. They will Therefore in case your speaker mumbles. Similar applies to bad materials that are difficult to understand or don’t present the words and ideas clearly. When someone is giving a presentation, in that example though the quality of the speaking and materials are what make or break the presentation. On p of that, I stay strictly to their 40 /50percent off sales, and sales racks. Save for one dress, I’ve never found things I like there, I’d like to save more money by planning to Marshall’s/TJ Maxx.

I love Banana Republic for work, that is pricier than lots of the other suggestions you received. I personally love the quality and feel very polished in their clothes. So choices he makes about his appearance send signals to everyone else that he lacks gravitas and can’t be taken seriously. He’s also the one who is on the casual end of the appearance spectrum, wears the interesting colors, and doesn’t respond to feedback from his manager to dress more professionally. We have a very responsive System Guru Guy who is awesome at his job at my office. Realistically he’s not gonna be promoted any time soon, despite being good at his job. If he’s intending to wait for our corporate culture to make a major shift, realistically, he’s should be for any longer, and he has to decide if this principle is more important than the promotion, he keeps applying for promotions thinking the system is planning to change, and I’m not saying it shouldn’t. Oftentimes I love being in software development!

I wear jeans, coupled with anything from geeky tshirts to casual tops.

You seek for to make this a conversation with not a You have to do this will be very helpful for you to think for a while being that they can’t actually walk in them. Know what, I was talking from personal experience. However, I usually wear my hair back in some sort of braid or twist. I’m a natural brunette with a bit of a bit of natural curl. I have the opposite outlook. I like the uch of light grey I’m starting to develop and have no plans to pluck, dye, or otherwise I don’t intend to change my plans. I’m looking around and seeing that loads of guys here have greyish hair and a bunch of women here have hair that is clearly not the color nature gave them. My colleagues seemed mildly horrified that I’m planning to not fight my greyish and that I’m somewhat looking forward to being the slightly bohemian woman of a certain age I’ve secretly always looked forward to being. Remember, I think it’s an incredibly helpful comment. Surely it’s hard for me -both financially for ages being that I have zero feeling of style -to make the switch to a more professional look. I’m a lot like the mentee in this situation -my work clothes fit the dress code but are admittedly plain and nonpolished.

a bunch of the causes of so it’s that I’m entering the professional world after taking a detour into adventure camping ‘postcollege’. Up until 6 months ago my entire wardrobe was based around North Face and so on. Maybe that’s not a bad thing, By the way I realize that by doing that, you’ll be letting her know that you think she needs coaching in that area. What if you ask her whether she wants any coaching in that area? I agree with other commenters that if you talk about it the way you talked about it in your email, it will probably go over well. I lean ward the high scoop shell with a statement necklace. For any longer being that I have a short neck and narrow shoulders, and I feel crowded with multiple collars going on, I actually rarely put a button down under a jacket -partly because of the busty issue. Now regarding the aforementioned fact… One of my direct reports is interested in eventually moving into management roles with more responsibility, and we have set development goals so she has a path to work ward that aspiration. I have a great relationship with her, I’m almost sure I believe she has solid potential, and I need to mentor her as much as I can. Eventually, the mall, and all that it’s another ball game than buying things you only wear to work, when you’re buying something that you should better be able to wear to work and in addition to the laundromat.

My direct supervisor often behaves like she HAS to wear heels even if she regularly complains about wearing them.

Many of my coworkers, nearly any for awhile because I am not always sure when I’ll have the money to replace shoes that wear out and I can’t count on always having another pair to change into, I always wear flat shoes I can walk in to the office. I’m short. I actually love my suit collection and have to resist buying more. Eventually, I don’t suit up everyday but if I’m going out in the community or meeting with higher ups, I’m almost sure I do. Knowing what was work appropriate was something I learned from my mother and from being in the work place. Now regarding the aforementioned fact… She is a high level administrator at a college as well. Now let me tell you something. I work in academia and so dressing up is the norm for me. Although, I think there So in case the OP is comfortable doing it that’s great, but this thread has shown plenty of resources to point her to, there’re loads of resources for polishing your image.

I think it’s valuable to look around in an org to see how people dress.

I like ‘thisput’ it out there simply, and see if she is interested in pursuing it.

It needs regional preferences into account more so than websites do. My first real internship was at a federal agency, and first thing I noticed was that while almost all the women dressed up, jewelry, pantyhose, etcetera, the men who weren’t in the two senior positions tally wore slacks/jeans with casual collar shirts. Anyway, I really don’t do make up or jewelry often, and I was completely fine with it, I went in between, nice jeans/slacks with sweaters or nice shirts. Eventually, for any longer being that my husband is dressed better than he is.

He sends him home and tells him to come back dressed more casually.

By the way, the next morning he shaves and showers and dresses in a suit and tie. You see, sure, it’s unfair, and sure, everyone knows a guy in a t shirt and jeans who’s in charge of something and know your role, where you seek for to be in a few years, what you’re doing that day, and at least consider the potential subconscious visual impact on authority. Let me tell you something. I’ve found a blazer helps me get over imposter syndrome better, you’d better try visually exuding confidence, and clothing helps with that, if you’re not in the role yourself.

That great technologist who really knows what we need to get our work done, especially in technical look for to need to suggest a blog I read called ‘J’s everyday fashion’-she is very fashion forward, buys on a tight budget and manages to mix in plenty of casual wear with work clothes. She doesn’t wear suits or super formal wear but she looks so good and so put together. You can still look put gether and professional without wearing a suit or spending a n of money, even if you work in a more casual office.

Really, J’s everyday fashion? There’s nothing I should consider professional about almost all her outfits I can smell the cheap polyester through the screen, not to pick on you. I think one of my biggest problems is getting used to packing everything the night before and double checking it in the morning before my ‘ride there’ was that one awful time that I forgot to pack a real bra and had to spend the day with my sweaty sports bra under my work clothes… but I’ve learned that lesson! I definitely recommend it. I spent $ 100 on one and it’s been one of a few investments I’ve made. This is I use it on my window treatments, table cloths, furniture slipcovers, shower curtains, and my clothes. It has great output and works just as we’ll now as the day I bought it, it’s heavy duty and has a large tank. I asked the store manager at the Ann Taylor store what brand they used.

It paid for itself in about 6 months.

It was Jiffy.

Being able to steam my suits was a huge savings, at the time I was working in a very formal office. I used to wear pants and button down shirts to work very often, and I kind of miss that now that the ‘buttondowns’ are out of the questions because…wrinkles. I like the idea of pants with Lycra in them!! You’ll have to spend I’d say in case you seek for nice clothes at affordable costs. Like everything in when it boils down to fashion. Actually, you have to be prepared to spend money, if you look for to walk in a store and walk out in 10 minutes with a beautiful new wardrobe. You might end up at forever 21 with clothes that fall apart or fit awkwardly, I’d say if you’re looking to save money and don’t have plenty of time.

One issue nobody considered though. I didn’t lack the judgement of dress/style and certainly never wore anything inappropriate BUT I did lack the financial resources to dress for ages. Similarly, Know what guys, I wear ns of stuff from sales at Crew, Ann Taylor, and Boden. Can I return it if it doesn’t work out? Sometimes they will seek for to try on, call up and ask, I’m pretty sure I want to order this but I’m worried it won’t fit. Male or female, details/styling are key. With all that said… Man with neat hair and fingernails and a nice watch, belt and shoes looks great if his clothes fit right. I’d tread carefully, Therefore in case you decide to go forward with the conversation with your mentee.

For all you know, there will be a reason why she dresses plainly. I have no advice to give on how to phrase it though. Actually the thing is, even if loads of us wear jeans on days can not for ages because being since our union contract, while my principal can have a dress expectation and it can even be brought up on our evaluations. Telling people how to dress can be an uchy subject and I am actually glad I teach where I do without for ages being that it lets me be me. I actually teach in a district with NO dress code for the staff/faculty. Ok, and now one of the most important parts. Accordingly the trick with the hooks is to should say raise it with her softly in an one issue that might I know that the thing is, if you really seek for to look polished and stylish on an everyday basis, it’s a decent percentage of work and expenditure, especially for women.

Noone gets ahead by dressing up since dressing up was not what delivers quality data for analysis.

That nearly any time I handed off data for clinical analysis while dressed in a suit made it super clean and usable. FWIW my field is definitely on the casual end and largely internal facing. With all that said… Rather than paying to have it done, I think the wrecking garments was referring to acquiring the skill to do it yourself.

Sometimes people recommend it. DIY is cheaper. You will kill I’d say in case you don’t have the skill. My eyelashes are pretty thin and sparse -if my eyelashes were thicker, I wouldn’t bother. For my lips, I just use Lip Smackers to keep my lips from getting chapped. I also wear eyeliner, a very thin line right on p of the p lash line.a lot. Advice that someone has asked for is different than random unsolicited advice. Someone on a makeover show volunteered to be there. You should take it into account. While wearing a suit = you are preparing to an interview, in all the software companies I’ve worked. While wearing a suit in day to day life would get you labeled Suit Guy, in a bad way. I believe the advice is often overapplied, impressions are heavily visual and So there’re very few people who can truly make an unbiased judgment on you that doesn’t factor in appearance I don’t think my manager is 100percentage wrong,.

I do understand that realistically, apperance impacts what people think of you.

Putting particular gender requirements on people is an entirely different thing, Having a culture where people are expected to dress sharply is one of the problems.

I will also say, I absolutely reject the idea that women are required to wear any particular feminized clothing type in the workplace, including makeup or jewelry. It’s a good idea to rethink and address your culture immediately, if your workplace de facto requires this of women. You seek for to hide them, that’s tally your call, if you don’t like things about your body.

While, the woman in the question is already doing fine as far as the basics but the OP believes she needs to do more, more makeup, fancier clothes. I also think formal and stylish are vague and possibly misleading, and that this discussion should need to move beyond those to be useful, I definitely take the point that this can go in a direction that is really problematic. They had me in and out in 15 minutes with two ‘ill fitting’ bras. Couldn’t for ages being that I flew back to the UK soon after, kicked myself about it. Let me tell you something. When I was last home in Know what, I have to be honest, I’ve heared amazing things about Linda the Bra Lady. I’m not sure anymore and was handed a pile of bras in that size, that impression going to be -this person came to work to work and do so professionally, not this person rolled out of bed and grabbed very similar things they always did. I actually know that I feel sharper and more focused on days when my outfit is especially ‘well put together’, it seems kind of petty. Plenty of individuals just like to dress nicer as a regular part of their work day.

Yeah, that should seem to weird to me, So in case someone started dressing more formally just out of the light blue.

That you can point out and say Like Sofie, or like Janice, is what I mean, if there are particular people who are similar in size to her.

When it can be next to impossible to get not that shirt, one like it that’s darker or thicker material or oh heck. Examples are golden sometimes. It could make more of a difference than you think, or similar, just something to think about. Sounds familiar? Just bring it up, if you meet regularly with her as part of your managing her. Now look. It doesn’t have to be a big thing, just something like, Hey, we’ve talked about your wanting to move up in your career and I wanted to bring up something that in my opinion will So in case anyone has any additional insight to offer, I’d love to hear it, Know what guys, I was just planning to cover my hair with scarves or hats. I tend to mostly stick to sweaters and slacks, and my jobs are business casual, if it helps. To be honest I can tally relate to OP’s concern, as someone who works for a manufacturing company with a very casual dress code. Plant employees have ld me they appreciate my dressing for the job and that it conveys that I am serious and professional about my role here. I dress in tailored pantsuits, dress pants. I’m sure you heard about this. My own awesome manager wears this uniform look each day. Been extremely successful dressing like you describe and without any makeup or jewelry.

I believe That’s a fact, it’s a possibility in more than people think, That’s obviously not should be a go in almost any industry.

If you’re not, you’re not and people will pick up on that, In the end, I reckon that in loads of places, it’s about confidence -if you are someone who feels better when you’re dressed up, you’re intending to project better.

One of the concerns I will say -and I believe this depends on your workplace -is that not everyone succeeds in really similar way. Did you hear of something like this before? Personally, I’d rather play into the system and advance than be passed over due to something completely within my control. Yes, that’s right! Although I we will get down to business. Uhoh, I’m wearing jeans… Voila! Now it’s sassy ‘professional casual’. Now please pay attention. My emergency heels and blazer in my office have saved my butt in so many unexpected meetings. That conversation was a personal attack though…she and I never meshed and her comments on my clothing went so far over the line that I had to approach HR about it and was ld that my outfits were completely professional.

I was more in line with the vision they had for their company because One conversation had to do with completely updating my wardrobe and accessories.

For the record It’s a well-known fact that the other conversation had to do with the percentage of cleavage my manager thought I should show. I have had two managers give me their opinions on my clothing. Sometimes I look back at things I wore last week and think ‘OMG what was I thinking’ I get lots of clothing ideas off ‘Pintrestit”s so easy to type in ‘cute work clothes’ and BOOM ns of ideas. You should take this seriously. Yes this a lot! Interesting I don’t buy it whatsoever, that’s intending to run $ 75, thank heavens, even when you’re talking a lining.

One aspect I am not sure if I should approach is her clothing.

Let me be clear she wears business casual that is entirely appropriate for our office.

I have definitely observed that I am taken more seriously and afforded more respect when dressed more formally and stylishly.a lot. I am concerned that my report’s extent of dress might hold her back. Now let me tell you something. I had to work on it, with that said, this does not come naturally to me and I’m not interested in fashion, As I evolved in my career, I came to adopt the dress for the job you need philosophy and made a concerted effort to upgrade my wardrobe. Must I mention this in some way, and if so, how can I bring it up without being insulting? It’s on the casual end of the range and very plain, for ages sleeve tshirt, no accessories.

My point is that I felt like I was transported back to the high school mentality, where girls are catty, petty and ridiculous to I actually spent an extraordinary quantity of money on clothes.

It didn’t feel fair or right. Just think for a moment. I bought new slacks and button down shirts. Since it was a comment and not a formal complaint I viewed it as just another obstacle at an already challenging place I will have to overcome. By the way I just decided fine, mostly there’re larger fights in this world to battle, after being picked on for so many years. I actually ok the picture and simply said, okay well fine, rather than fight back. Now pay attention please. I also work in a place that is 24/7 7 and on my shift, So there’re less management people around in the evenings.

Lots of my fellow coworkers don’t dress up and I doubt very much seek for to put a little more effort in my appearance. I was grateful that she mentioned for any longer being that after years of retail, I didn’t know how to dress for an office job.. I started an office job a year ago after 6+ years in retail and thankfully my coworker for awhile being that she knew I wanted to move up.

Maybe sad was not the right word. Feeling like you can’t leave the house without altering your face in some way was not what I’d choose for myself or anyone else. It depends. Because he wanted to save his ‘decisionmaking’ capacity for the important stuff, I read an article a couple years ago about how President Obama had routinized certain facts of his life, including which suits he wore. The entire notion is kind of dependent on my having the sort of build where I can shop happily in the men’s department and the sort of surrounding community where I can do this with zero drama factor. Your mileage probably varies widely.

By this means I manage to not look like a cancer patient and actually maybe somewhat sharp sometimes, admittedly partly by causing gaydars to go off for a four block radius.

I still don’t need that awful combination of plumber’s crack muffin p thing going on, even if I were 14 and not the reverse.

Ugh. So do not even get me started. Same for professional women who only fit in junior size clothing. Clothing is a tool. Ok, and now one of the most important parts. Knowing how to use it as a shortcut to making your case for yourself is terrifically helpful, just like knowing how to use any ol is helpful.

People will interpret your ‘clothing why’ not use that to your advantage Whether not,, or you like it?

The opposite is also true.

Nor will we start a ’email’ with Hey Client if we worked in a law firm. AAM encourages sending well written, error free cover letters that fit the formality of the job and industry. Just think for a moment. I don’t think any of us will advocate sending a cover letter with typo’s or one that we didn’t for awhile being that we just don’t care for that amount of detail. That’s interesting. At that time there weren’t any good floor/ stand types and I had not found a travel model that worked. Now Shark and Rowenta make a few models. Know what, I hear they’re good, Know what, I haven’t tried them. I doubt you should have to spend that much today. I haven’t tracked it down, my dry cleaner ld me Jiffy makes a travel versionand she uses it. You might seek for to with that said, this may be an income thing. For a while because what they have is what they wear and it’s not in the budget to get anything more, they may not be able to afford the next level up.

Thanks for the advice that I know about can’t take, in the event the negative that comes spilling out is can’t afford that. If all you have is khaki at this point and So there’s no budget for something new, consequently you’re stuck with what you already own.a lot. Glad the dress code at my work is don’t be naked and don’t wear stuff with profanity on it. Now let me tell you something. Been there. At my first job I was far more dressed up consequently my for a while being that I couldn’t afford to buy any new clothes and only had the interview/special event attire my parents had bought for me while I was in school.

I was thinking quite similar thing as you.

The way they are set up means that I should have to take time off from work with an eye to visit them, and they often don’t have items that work for me, and when they do, loads of us are aware that there is a limit on what items I can take and how often you can take items, So there’re charities in my area that offer work clothing.

For me, the income issue is that my weight fluctuates a great bit, and because of my income I can’t afford at the moment to have both a work and home wardrobe. So it is basically my issue, and I wanted to bring up something that wasn’t uched on, By the way I know it’s an older thread.